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Unsolved Case: Murder of Susanne Lindholm

Devante Johnson & Delila Sirak Season 4 Episode 2

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Year(s) of Incident: August 8, 1976
Location: Finland
Unsolved Case: Murder of Susanne Lindholm
Victim(s):  1
Method: Rape, Strangled

On the morning of August 8, 1976, in the district of Kumpula in Helsinki, the body of 25-year-old Susanne Lindholm was discovered in the bicycle cellar of her apartment building. She had been brutally murdered, and the crime scene bore clear signs of a violent struggle. The savage nature of the killing deeply shocked the Finnish public and left a lasting impact on the community. 

Despite immediate investigative efforts, the case would remain unsolved, gradually becoming one of Helsinki’s most disturbing murder mysteries.


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Devante:

<b>Welcome to Scandinavian Crimes.</b> <b>My name is Devante and say hello to my lovely co-host,</b> <b>Delila.</b>

Delila:

<b> Hi.</b>

Devante:

<b>And on this podcast, we talk about</b> <b>famous Scandinavian criminals who made their mark</b> <b>throughout Scandinavian history.</b> <b>So welcome back to episode two of Scandinavian Crimes.</b> <b>I hope you guys had a lovely couple of weeks.</b> <b>And once again, just a reminder</b> <b>for the first couple of episodes,</b> <b>we're only gonna be dropping episodes every other week</b> <b>for this year slash season of the podcast.</b> <b>So that way we can communicate</b> <b>with you guys more on social media.</b> <b>So today we're gonna be covering a case</b> <b>that I think nonetheless will maybe interest a lot of you.</b> <b>On the morning of August 8th, 1976,</b> <b>in the district of Kumpala in Helensky,</b> <b>the body of a 25 year old, Suzanne Lindholm</b> <b>was discovered in the bicycle cellar</b> <b>of her apartment building.</b> <b>She had been brutally murdered</b> <b>and the crime scene bore clear signs of a violent struggle.</b> <b>The savage nature of killing deeply shocked the Finnish</b> <b>public and left a lasting impact on the community.</b> <b>Despite immediate investigative efforts,</b> <b>the case would remain unsolved,</b> <b>gradually becoming one of Helensky's most disturbing</b> <b>murder mysteries.</b> <b>But as usual, do you know what I'm about to say?</b> <b>Grab your tea, grab your snacks.</b> <b>If you're on your way to work,</b> <b>tuck yourself into a nice little corner</b> <b>on the bus or the train,</b> <b>putting your earphones nice and tight.</b> <b>Because this is the story of Suzanne Lindholm's murder.</b> <b>Suzanne Lindholm was known to those around her</b> <b>as a young woman, both outward beauty and inner promise.</b> <b>At just 25 years old, she had established a life</b> <b>of independence living alone in the residential neighborhood</b> <b>of Kumpala.</b> <b>Located Northeast of the city center,</b> <b>Kumpala was a quiet, family friendly area,</b> <b>a place where people felt safe and knew their neighbors.</b> <b>For Suzanne, it was what she called home.</b> <b>Professionally, she worked as a flight attendant,</b> <b>a career that in the 1970s was widely regarded</b> <b>as a glamorous and modern kind of lifestyle and career.</b> <b>It was a job that came with travel, exposure</b> <b>to different cultures and a sense of freedom</b> <b>that not many women of the time had a chance to experience.</b> <b>She was by all appearances,</b> <b>enjoying a life with an active social circle.</b> <b>Those who knew her spoke of a vibrant, intelligent woman</b> <b>who carried herself with confidence and charm.</b> <b>But that life was brought to an unexplained end</b> <b>during the early hours of that one August morning.</b> <b>On the evening of Saturday, August 7th, 1976,</b> <b>Suzanne made plans to spend the night out with friends.</b> <b>The group gathered at Hotel Hesperia,</b> <b>a prominent hotel and social hub</b> <b>located in the heart of Halinsky.</b> <b>At the time, Hotel Hesperia was considered</b> <b>a fashionable spot known for its lively bars, music,</b> <b>and relaxed atmosphere.</b> <b>Locals and travelers alike mingled there,</b> <b>especially on weekends, and the warm August weather</b> <b>gave the evening a relaxed late summer energy.</b> <b>Inside the hotel, conversation and laughter filled the air.</b> <b>Suzanne dressed for an evening out,</b> <b>appearing to be enjoying herself as she sipped drinks</b> <b>and shared stories with her friends.</b> <b>There was nothing unusual in her demeanor.</b> <b>At approximately 3 a.m. on Sunday, August 8th,</b> <b>Suzanne left Hotel Hesperia.</b> <b>That moment would prove to be</b> <b>the final confirmed sighting of Suzanne.</b> <b>Later that same day, in the morning,</b> <b>Deputy Judge Esco Savo-Lainan,</b> <b>a resident of the same apartment building</b> <b>where Suzanne lived,</b> <b>was going about his usual weekend routine.</b> <b>Accompanied by his children,</b> <b>Esco went into the bicycle cellar of the building,</b> <b>a shared, dimly lit space in the basement</b> <b>where tenants stored their bicycles and other belongings.</b> <b>It was a mundane task,</b> <b>something done countless times before without incident.</b> <b>But this time, it was different.</b> <b>As Esco opened the cellar door,</b> <b>he was confronted with a scene so brutal</b> <b>that it would stay with him for the rest of his life.</b> <b>Lying on the cold concrete floor was the body of Suzanne.</b> <b>She was lifeless and had been the victim of a violent attack.</b> <b>Esco quickly shielded his children from the site</b> <b>and raised the alarm.</b> <b>The police and emergency responders arrived at the scene.</b> <b>They confirmed that Suzanne had been murdered.</b> <b>When had once been an ordinary bicycle cellar</b> <b>was now transformed into a crime scene,</b> <b>Esco later recalled the scene in vivid detail.</b> <b>The cellar borne the physical aftermath</b> <b>of the violent confrontation.</b> <b>Bikes and personal items were all over the place.</b> <b>Things that were usually lined up neatly along the walls</b> <b>had been knocked over and scattered around.</b> <b>It was immediately evident that both the witness</b> <b>and the investigators that Suzanne had not gone down</b> <b>without a fight.</b> <b>The crime was quickly classified as a sexual homicide.</b> <b>This was not only a murder,</b> <b>it was a deeply violating and personal attack.</b> <b>The violence of the assault combined with the intimate</b> <b>setting made it clear to investigators</b> <b>that the crime had likely been premeditated.</b> <b>The killer had taken a considerable risk</b> <b>by committing such an act within a shared residential space.</b> <b>One that other tenants, including children,</b> <b>accessed regularly.</b> <b>In 1976, however, the tools available</b> <b>to finish law enforcement were extremely limited.</b> <b>Forensic science had not reached a technological</b> <b>sophistication we now take for granted.</b> <b>DNA profile, microscopic trace analysis,</b> <b>and advanced chemical testing were years away</b> <b>from becoming standard procedures.</b> <b>At the time, investigators relied heavily on blood typing,</b> <b>fingerprint analysis, and witness testimony.</b> <b>Unfortunately, none of these methods yielded</b> <b>immediate breakthroughs in Suzanne's case.</b> <b>Though the crime scene likely contained valuable</b> <b>physical evidence left behind by the perpetrator,</b> <b>perhaps hair, skin cells, or even fibers,</b> <b>investigators were unable to extract or analyze it</b> <b>in a meaningful way using the available forensic tools.</b> <b>No one had witnessed the attack.</b> <b>No one had seen Suzanne into the building</b> <b>with another person.</b> <b>And there are no neighbors who reported unusual noises</b> <b>or movements during the critical hours of 3 a.m.</b> <b>when she left the hotel, Hespera,</b> <b>in the morning discovering of her body.</b> <b>The building had remained as far as anyone can tell,</b> <b>quiet throughout the night.</b> <b>The lack of information created one of the toughest hurdles</b> <b>in the case, figuring out the timeline.</b> <b>Hotel Hespera was located roughly four kilometers</b> <b>from Suzanne's residence.</b> <b>How she traveled from the location to her home</b> <b>has never been confirmed.</b> <b>Did she walk the entire distance on foot?</b> <b>It would have taken nearly an hour,</b> <b>long enough for her to be vulnerable,</b> <b>especially in the early mornings.</b> <b>Or did someone offer her a ride?</b> <b>If so, was it someone she knew and trusted</b> <b>or a stranger who took advantage of an opportunity?</b> <b>Despite the repeated public appeals,</b> <b>police were never able to establish what happened</b> <b>during the critical gap in time.</b> <b>No one came forward to report</b> <b>having seen her walking that route.</b> <b>No cab drivers, friends, or passerby</b> <b>recalled offering her a ride.</b> <b>It was within this window of time</b> <b>that the investigators believed Suzanne encountered</b> <b>her killer, whether it happened during the walk</b> <b>or her doorstep or inside the building itself</b> <b>is still unknown.</b> <b>The Halinsky Police and more specifically</b> <b>the city's homicide squad immediately launched</b> <b>a full-scale investigation into Suzanne's murder.</b> <b>The case was handled with urgency</b> <b>led by experienced officers</b> <b>including Chief Crime Inspector Yuha Rotahemo.</b> <b>From the outset, investigators explored</b> <b>several theories and potential leads.</b> <b>Dozens of interviews were conducted.</b> <b>The backgrounds of known offenders in the area</b> <b>were re-examined, but none of the initial efforts</b> <b>brought the police closer to identifying the killer.</b> <b>The gap in Suzanne's timeline</b> <b>proved to be a recurring obstacle.</b> <b>Without information about how she got home</b> <b>or whom she may have encountered,</b> <b>police were left to speculate on possible scenarios.</b> <b>Even as weeks turned into months,</b> <b>the investigation remained active.</b> <b>New names came under scrutiny.</b> <b>Some individuals were considered person of interest</b> <b>based on their criminal histories,</b> <b>geographic proximity to the scene or general behavior.</b> <b>But despite extensive efforts, no suspect was ever charged.</b> <b>Over the years, investigators have explored</b> <b>multiple theories to uncover the truth behind Suzanne's</b> <b>murder.</b> <b>The deeply violent and sexually motivated nature</b> <b>of the crime led police early on to consider</b> <b>that the perpetrator might be a known sexual offender,</b> <b>someone with a history of predatory behavior</b> <b>who either lived in or had access to the Cumbula area</b> <b>during the summer of 1976.</b> <b>The theory guided much of the initial investigative work.</b> <b>Police compiled lists of individuals</b> <b>with prior convictions for sexual assault,</b> <b>rape or violent behavior toward women.</b> <b>They focused particularly on those whose addresses</b> <b>are places of employment</b> <b>placed near Suzanne's apartment building.</b> <b>Several men fit this profile,</b> <b>including one individual who stood out,</b> <b>a local resident with a documented pattern</b> <b>of violence against women.</b> <b>He lived within walking distance of the crime scene</b> <b>and had a criminal history that aligned</b> <b>with the nature of the attack</b> <b>and appeared at least initially to be a promising suspect.</b> <b>However, after extensive questioning, background checks</b> <b>and efforts to cooperate timelines,</b> <b>this individual along with others similarly profiled</b> <b>was eventually ruled out.</b> <b>Some had verifiable alibis,</b> <b>others despite their troubling records</b> <b>like any concrete connection to Suzanne</b> <b>or the location of the crime.</b> <b>The sense of hope that these early leagues</b> <b>might yield a breakthrough gradually faded,</b> <b>replaced by growing uncertainty.</b> <b>Another theory centers around the possibility</b> <b>that Suzanne encountered her killer</b> <b>on the journey home from the hotel.</b> <b>One possibility is that Suzanne</b> <b>may have accepted a ride from someone,</b> <b>perhaps someone she knew casually</b> <b>or a stranger who appeared trustworthy.</b> <b>In the 1970s, hitchhiking and casual ride offers</b> <b>were not uncommon, especially late at night</b> <b>when public transit options were limited.</b> <b>If this occurred, it's possible that her killer</b> <b>first might contact her during this journey,</b> <b>whether through coercion or manipulation or force,</b> <b>the suspect may have gained access to her building</b> <b>and followed her inside.</b> <b>Alternatively, some investigators have considered</b> <b>the possibility that Suzanne was followed discreetly,</b> <b>perhaps from the hotel itself or somewhere along her route.</b> <b>The entrance to her apartment building</b> <b>was not secured with modern surveillance</b> <b>or locked access doors as it would be typically today.</b> <b>If someone had been trailing her,</b> <b>they might've simply waited for the right moment to strike</b> <b>once she entered the building alone.</b> <b>Once inside, what happened in the bicycle cellar</b> <b>remains speculative, but the evidence</b> <b>paints a partial picture.</b> <b>The scene showed clear signs of a struggle.</b> <b>These disturbances suggested Suzanne resisted her attacker.</b> <b>She likely fought back,</b> <b>physically trying to escape or defend herself.</b> <b>Investors believe that she may have been surprised</b> <b>or ambushed.</b> <b>Given the confined and somewhat isolated nature</b> <b>of the cellar, it's possible the killer planned</b> <b>to exploit that space,</b> <b>knowing it was rarely visited at that hour.</b> <b>Despite these clues, the precise sequence of events,</b> <b>how Suzanne ended up in the cellar,</b> <b>how the confrontation unfolded,</b> <b>and whether the attacker lived in the building</b> <b>or entered from outside has never been confirmed.</b> <b>The absence of eyewitnesses, lack of physical evidence</b> <b>capable of identifying the perpetrator,</b> <b>and forensic limitations of the time</b> <b>have kept this vital piece of the puzzle unsolved.</b> <b>Years later, the case was brought back into the public eye</b> <b>through a televised feature by Crime TV.</b> <b>The program revisited the known facts,</b> <b>retraced the timeline, and presented interviews</b> <b>with individuals connected to the case.</b> <b>The broadcast sparked a surge in public interest</b> <b>and with it, new tips.</b> <b>Some of these tips named individuals</b> <b>who had never been associated with the case before.</b> <b>These people were thoroughly investigated,</b> <b>but all were ultimately cleared of involvement.</b> <b>Other tips revisited known individuals,</b> <b>including one man with a criminal background</b> <b>involving rape and violence against women.</b> <b>This man had lived in Kumbula District</b> <b>at the time of the murder</b> <b>and on the surface seemed as a possible suspect.</b> <b>However, investigators had cleared him</b> <b>in the original 1976 inquiry.</b> <b>Upon re-examination, nothing new was uncovered</b> <b>and he was once again dismissed as a suspect.</b> <b>Despite the passing decades,</b> <b>the murder of Suzanne has never disappeared</b> <b>from the public consciousness.</b> <b>It has remained an open, painful chapter</b> <b>in Finland's modern criminal history,</b> <b>one frequently referenced in discussions</b> <b>of cold cases and unsolved crimes.</b> <b>At the time, Helinsky was not accustomed</b> <b>to such acts of violence,</b> <b>especially not in residential neighborhoods.</b> <b>The fact that a murder had occurred</b> <b>in a communal part of the building</b> <b>just steps from the homes of dozens of residents</b> <b>deeply unsettled the neighborhood.</b> <b>This was not a remote or hidden location.</b> <b>It was a place that children played.</b> <b>Near where their families came</b> <b>and went daily without a second thought.</b> <b>Suzanne's murder violated not only her safety,</b> <b>but also the communal trust and sense of normalcy</b> <b>around that life in the city.</b> <b>Families who had once allowed their children</b> <b>to play freely in courtyards</b> <b>now locked their doors more tightly.</b> <b>Neighbors who had once exchanged friendly nods</b> <b>in the stairwell began to look</b> <b>at one another with suspicion.</b> <b>The atmosphere in Kumbula changed in an instant</b> <b>and the wound has never fully healed.</b> <b>Though family has since seen advances in forensic science,</b> <b>no new physical evidence has emerged</b> <b>that could definitively link any individual to the crime.</b> <b>The evidence that was collected in 1976 has been preserved,</b> <b>but given the limitations of the original investigation,</b> <b>especially the lack of DNA testing</b> <b>or secure trace evidence protocols,</b> <b>investigators remain unsure whether those materials</b> <b>could ever give a breakthrough.</b> <b>Still, the search for the truth has never truly stopped.</b> <b>For Suzanne's family, for the investigators</b> <b>who refuse to give up, and for the public</b> <b>that still remembers, that hope endures,</b> <b>that one day someone will come forward</b> <b>with the missing piece or the technology</b> <b>will finally reveal what has remained hidden for so long.</b> <b>Until that day arrives, the case of Suzanne Lindholm</b> <b>remains officially unsolved.</b> <b>(soft music)</b> <b>So obviously this is an unsolved case.</b> <b>Even though nobody was arrested,</b> <b>people are still very interested</b> <b>in discuss this case till this day.</b> <b>And there's a lot of speculative theories</b> <b>based on all the evidence that we have currently.</b> <b>And I actually wanted to ask you, Devonté,</b> <b>based from all these theories,</b> <b>what do you think happened?</b> <b>And do you think it was planned?</b> <b>Or do you think it was somebody was stalking</b> <b>and just happened to take the chance of attacking her?</b> <b>Or do you think it was somebody who knew her?</b> <b>Like, what do you think?</b> <b>I think during the investigation,</b> <b>it was a good route to explore, you know,</b> <b>people who are known for these offenses nearby.</b> <b>But one thing I will always preach</b> <b>or I think is a good starting place,</b> <b>especially during these times,</b> <b>is I will always kind of check the building.</b> <b>Much like we've seen in other cases</b> <b>or experienced in other cases,</b> <b>some of these things don't add up</b> <b>where even if they didn't have locks the same way</b> <b>that they do in apartments,</b> <b>typically, you know, you got a downstairs lock,</b> <b>where you gotta have a little tap key</b> <b>or a physical key to get inside.</b> <b>It was the fact that the person was aware</b> <b>of the bike room downstairs, which is like, okay.</b> <b>He could have followed her down there though.</b> <b>But also if it's three in the morning,</b> <b>you're coming from a party or event,</b> <b>you're not going downstairs to the bicycle room.</b> <b>Do you think the perpetrator put her there?</b> <b>I think what possibly could have happened is,</b> <b>and remember, this is all speculation.</b> <b>And my first theory would be in this investigation</b> <b>is I would assume it was someone</b> <b>who either lived in the building</b> <b>or maybe had access to the building.</b> <b>And I say that because once again,</b> <b>they were aware of the room</b> <b>and I think she might've been coerced into the building.</b> <b>We're going in there.</b> <b>Because there were no, at least from what we've read,</b> <b>there was no signs of a struggle prior.</b> <b>She didn't have any bike or nothing.</b> <b>Right, there was no signs of struggle</b> <b>prior to coming into the bike room.</b> <b>The entire crime seems to exist within the single room.</b> <b>But if you think about it,</b> <b>it could have also been like a throw, a misdirect,</b> <b>and what if-</b> <b>I doubt it's that deep.</b> <b>This type of crime is rarely so thought out.</b> <b>Do you think it was a violent-</b> <b>This is just a violent, aggressive,</b> <b>this is not like a super premeditated crime</b> <b>where it's just like,</b> <b>"I'm gonna do this and move the body."</b> <b>And it's nothing complex.</b> <b>I think it was strictly just someone who-</b> <b>You think it was a sexually-</b> <b>I think it was a sexually motivated crime,</b> <b>just this really aggressive crime.</b> <b>And the crime took place in the room.</b> <b>There was no, at least from what we read,</b> <b>there was no signs of a struggle prior to entering the room</b> <b>in the building lobby or the staircase.</b> <b>It seems to exist only in that room.</b> <b>So it's a possibility that either the person</b> <b>or the court start to go down in that room,</b> <b>being aware of it.</b> <b>And the crime took place knowing that at that time,</b> <b>nobody was gonna be around,</b> <b>or someone at least who interacted with the building</b> <b>enough to know that also.</b> <b>So I would probably stick close to home,</b> <b>which they kind of did.</b> <b>They went through the sexual offenders in the area.</b> <b>They said they looked at some of the neighbors</b> <b>and all that stuff, but due to lack of technology,</b> <b>unless she was able to physically hurt him,</b> <b>which still might be possible,</b> <b>there was nothing to tie anyone specifically to the scene,</b> <b>but also they had nothing to compare it to.</b> <b>But I think they did interview</b> <b>and they couldn't find anything to connect them.</b> <b>Yeah, that's what I mean.</b> <b>Because it was a very heavily family-oriented neighborhood</b> <b>and everybody was happy.</b> <b>It was a very nice neighborhood</b> <b>and something like that should happen,</b> <b>was just crazy.</b> <b>The reason I say that as well is because</b> <b>we did have a case and I forget the name.</b> <b>We have multiple cases where there's like nice neighborhoods</b> <b>and then boom, boom, something happens.</b> <b>Yeah, so there's a case in particular</b> <b>that we had not in last season.</b> <b>The one with the bicycle with the child?</b> <b>The one with the bicycle and the child in the elevator?</b> <b>No.</b> <b>Which one are you thinking about?</b> <b>It was a case, I forget which, I forget the name of it,</b> <b>but it was a case that we did last season</b> <b>where a guy had a family and he was,</b> <b>I find him correctly, he was the killer,</b> <b>but the thing is people just didn't suspect him.</b> <b>Even his wife didn't initially suspect him</b> <b>because obviously, oh, he wouldn't do that.</b> <b>But then I forgot there was something</b> <b>that caused a wife to suspect him that--</b> <b>Oh, the murder of the Conys?</b> <b>I think so.</b> <b>I think it was that one. Because he was attacking</b> <b>and he was going up and down with his mental health.</b> <b>And then he started attacking girls that were named Conys.</b> <b>So it reminded me of that simply because,</b> <b>if I remember correctly, there was a detail in the case</b> <b>where some people didn't suspect him off rip</b> <b>or he was suspected and then they didn't have anything</b> <b>to tie him to the scene and also simply</b> <b>because he was married.</b> <b>So even though this is a family neighborhood,</b> <b>I'm thinking about the fact that,</b> <b>oh, it doesn't matter if the family lives here</b> <b>or people have husband and wife or kids.</b> <b>Oftentimes, a lot of killers</b> <b>can actually have full blown families</b> <b>and they can do something like this,</b> <b>this sexually violent crime, and then go about their day.</b> <b>And then oftentimes, it won't be in the Connie case,</b> <b>the wife was the saving grace for the case.</b> <b>And there was also witnesses that saw,</b> <b>in this case, unfortunately--</b> <b>Yeah, there was no evidence.</b> <b>There was nobody who saw nothing.</b> <b>We didn't even know if there was a person who followed her.</b> <b>So basically what I'm saying is like, in this case,</b> <b>it's because they don't have anything else,</b> <b>they have nothing.</b> <b>And in that case, they just so happened to see someone</b> <b>who looked kind of like him,</b> <b>but I think he was initially suspected</b> <b>and they let him off the first time.</b> <b>And then later on, they caught on to him</b> <b>because the wife ended up having, oh no, I think it's him.</b> <b>So I guess I'm just saying all this to say,</b> <b>even though this was a family neighborhood,</b> <b>this was a safe area, so to speak, it's entirely possible.</b> <b>Someone could have been her neighbor.</b> <b>We have so many similar cases to that.</b> <b>Yeah, it doesn't, like I said, either way,</b> <b>I'm not saying that.</b> <b>I don't know if it's that case, but sorry.</b> <b>Yeah, I'm not saying--</b> <b>But I understand which case you're talking about.</b> <b>It's not, it doesn't have to be identical.</b> <b>I'm just saying like in the case where the wife</b> <b>had a piece of information,</b> <b>it could be anybody in the building, it's my point.</b> <b>And even if there was nothing tying them to the scene,</b> <b>there was nothing tying him to that case</b> <b>in that scene either, but it was just one person</b> <b>who changed the dynamic of the case.</b> <b>And I think in this situation, it might be that case.</b> <b>We all know, unsolved cases,</b> <b>they could be solved years later.</b> <b>So like, it's a possibility that one missing piece,</b> <b>maybe new technology can do something.</b> <b>We've seen crazy things like technology being able to use</b> <b>like DNA from tooth or teeth, teeth, I don't know.</b> <b>That's the way I said it was weird.</b> <b>Either way, they'd be able to extract information</b> <b>from the smallest samples and be able to find,</b> <b>because sometimes most of the perpetrators are able to,</b> <b>like they redo the, you know, crimes over and over again,</b> <b>even if they spent it out throughout years later or whatever.</b> <b>And maybe they'd be able to put them in the DNA registry</b> <b>and boom, you're caught.</b> <b>It's also entirely possible that the person responsible</b> <b>either one or two things could have died</b> <b>or they could have been caught for another crime,</b> <b>but they have not been tied to this crime</b> <b>because they didn't leave enough evidence</b> <b>to be caught for this crime.</b> <b>So that's also something that can leave a lot of cold cases,</b> <b>cold, because they've already been arrested</b> <b>for another crime and, you know,</b> <b>they are no longer in the area or something like that.</b> <b>Or like I said, they could have been killed or not killed,</b> <b>they could have died.</b> <b>So, but like I said, it seems like they had the idea</b> <b>to check the nearby area.</b> <b>I think they did the best that they could</b> <b>with what they had.</b> <b>Yeah, they just didn't have the resources they needed.</b> <b>Most of the cases back then was very, like very,</b> <b>relied a lot on witnesses to solve most of the cases,</b> <b>but they just have nothing to go with, unfortunately.</b> <b>But in that case, you believe that it was somebody</b> <b>in the building who was raging out of control.</b> <b>Yeah, because the 70s was prime time for serial killers,</b> <b>you know, because none of the technology we have</b> <b>nowadays exists.</b> <b>So, and every time we've covered a case similar to this</b> <b>or in the ballpark of this,</b> <b>it's always someone who's close by,</b> <b>never fails that it was a neighbor</b> <b>or someone who lived next door across the street.</b> <b>I would have been surprised if it was a stalker.</b> <b>I mean, yeah, but there was no indication</b> <b>that she had a stalker,</b> <b>because, you know, I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed</b> <b>as a stalker, it's not like this would be the first time</b> <b>you saw her and then, oh, I'm gonna do it right now.</b> <b>There's usually a buildup to it.</b> <b>I usually feel like there's at least a trail,</b> <b>because also she traveled a lot.</b> <b>So there's no guarantee what her schedule was,</b> <b>unless that person knew her.</b> <b>Personally, yeah, that's true.</b> <b>And then even then other flight attendants,</b> <b>who she flies with, who she goes to the events with,</b> <b>and spend time with,</b> <b>they would at least have some indication of,</b> <b>oh, maybe someone was following her.</b> <b>She would have mentioned it to somebody</b> <b>if something would have caught her attention.</b> <b>But I think one thing maybe I would have tried</b> <b>to make an effort in doing,</b> <b>which maybe never crossed their mind,</b> <b>is I would have went back to the hotel</b> <b>and found as many routes possible to her home,</b> <b>and also found which routes were the shortest.</b> <b>Because most of the time,</b> <b>people try to take the shortest route to go home.</b> <b>So I would have done that.</b> <b>And even if they speculated, oh, did she walk?</b> <b>Maybe dogs too.</b> <b>Yeah, and that's what I mean.</b> <b>So maybe they only take dogs</b> <b>when they're like trying to find missing people.</b> <b>But that's what I mean though.</b> <b>Like they could have found dogs</b> <b>so something could have led you to a piece of evidence,</b> <b>something that was a little off, you know?</b> <b>So that's what I mean.</b> <b>Like find the route, then take the dogs,</b> <b>because let's say for example, the hotel to her home,</b> <b>let's say there's only two routes.</b> <b>Well, which one's the shortest?</b> <b>Okay, which one's the shortest walking?</b> <b>Then start from there and see if you can find something</b> <b>because they did speculate as well</b> <b>that that time that they were missing</b> <b>from her leaving the hotel to her house</b> <b>was a big part that they were missing.</b> <b>So I would have walked it or drove it or did whatever.</b> <b>I would have did both, truthfully.</b> <b>Like basically just re- Remapping the steps</b> <b>and see, okay, if this is someone that followed her,</b> <b>is there something that could be found along the way?</b> <b>I mean, I know it's a slim chance, but you never know.</b> <b>It could give you something.</b> <b>But that could give a small thing.</b> <b>A small thing, it might-</b> <b>The earlier you do that, the better.</b> <b>Right, so like, let's say for example, to your point,</b> <b>if it was somebody who worked at the hotel,</b> <b>or maybe a button from their uniform fell off</b> <b>if they followed her home,</b> <b>or even if it was like someone who was also at the event,</b> <b>maybe it might've been another flight,</b> <b>a male flight attendant, for example,</b> <b>and then something, a shoe print or something,</b> <b>something to work with.</b> <b>But I think they did investigate the road</b> <b>and noticed that there was like no clues there,</b> <b>no clues of struggling, no clues of like,</b> <b>so maybe they did do that,</b> <b>or maybe you were specifically talking about finding like,</b> <b>like shortcuts and stuff like that.</b> <b>Yeah, I'm just trying to find the shortest route,</b> <b>which would likely, you know,</b> <b>most likely she would have taken</b> <b>and see if that made a difference.</b> <b>I don't know how detailed they were.</b> <b>Maybe they just took the most common main road.</b> <b>That's what I'm assuming as well,</b> <b>and also wasn't, in the reading,</b> <b>it wasn't mentioned specifically,</b> <b>but I'm assuming they just took the most common route,</b> <b>especially if they were driving.</b> <b>They probably just drove there,</b> <b>but not, if they consider the walking,</b> <b>then I would walk the route too.</b> <b>So that's what I would have done,</b> <b>but I don't really have much else to say,</b> <b>but I think this is a crime definitely</b> <b>that wasn't too premeditated.</b> <b>This is pure, unadulterated rage and sexual-based crime</b> <b>probably because of just the craziness of the scene.</b> <b>So I'm pretty much good.</b> <b>Anything?</b> <b>Yes, no, I think, I think that's all honestly,</b> <b>my thoughts and what I believe.</b> <b>Well, let us, oh, I said let us guys.</b> <b>Let us guys.</b> <b>Well, you guys let us know what you think about this case,</b> <b>if there's any details that you feel like was overlooked</b> <b>or maybe something we didn't mention,</b> <b>or if you know details about the case specifically,</b> <b>or maybe have some-</b> <b>If you have any tips or anything,</b> <b>that's like, that's actually,</b> <b>if you can give them to the police officers.</b> <b>Yeah, you know, like,</b> <b>cause the whole point of this is to raise awareness,</b> <b>because maybe someone hears our podcast</b> 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do.</b> <b>Wanna make ribs?</b> <b>It's okay.</b> <b>I mean, if you want to, but like, it's not my, yeah.</b> <b>I'm thinking of, it's cause of you yesterday, some pizza.</b> <b>Oh no, don't remind me.</b> <b>I had the worst craving yesterday.</b> <b>But either way, let us know.</b> <b>Let us guys know.</b> <b>Let us know what you guys think</b> <b>and we shall see you in the next episode.</b> <b>Love y'all, stay safe and we'll holla at you next time.</b> <b>Yes, bye.</b> <b>Peace out.</b>

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