Love, Lies, and Murder: The Case of Martin Törnblad and Sara Lundblad

Scandinavian Crimes (w/ Devante & Delila)

Years of Incident: 2001-2002
Location: Sweden
The Case of Martin Törnblad and Sara Lundblad
Victim(s): 1
Method: Murder, Fraud

The Martin Törnblad and Sara Lundblad case is a notable Swedish criminal case that revolves around the brutal murder of Sara Lundblad in 2012. Sara was found dead in her home in Gothenburg, Sweden, and her boyfriend, Martin Törnblad, was soon suspected of the crime. The case gained significant media attention due to the nature of the murder and the subsequent investigation, which led to Törnblad’s arrest. He was accused of stabbing Sara multiple times and hiding her body, though he initially denied involvement. In 2014, Törnblad was convicted of the murder and sentenced to life in prison, despite his continued claims of innocence. The case remains controversial due to Törnblad's appeals and claims of wrongful conviction. 


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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction
• 2:36 Story - Background
• 4:55 Story - The Disappearance and Investigation
• 14:13 Story - Aftermath and Conviction
• 15:14 Discussion Section
• 29:47 Conclusion/Outro

Transcript

Welcome to "Scandinavian Crimes." My name is Devante, and say hello to my lovely co-host Delila.

 Hi.

 And on this podcast, we cover famous Scandinavian criminals who made their mark throughout Scandinavian history.



 So welcome to another episode. This week will not be a predator, but this will be nonetheless about one of you guys' favorite subject matters, and that is murder. In this case, more like a murdering couple. So in the serene Swedish countryside, wealthy farmer Joran Lundblad vanished without a trace. Sorry, a trace. For nearly two years, the case puzzled authorities until Therese Tang uncovered the gruesome truth. Join us, because we're gonna reveal how Sarah Lundblad and Martin Tørnblad, driven by greed, conspired in cold blood, leading to the landmark legal battle, and also just letting you know there's a lot of lies in this name, in these names here. So, it's gonna be a very interesting ride. Jellalablad. Sounds like I'm Dracula, blood.

 Sounds like Dracula.

 But, I came to suck your blood.



 But, yes.

 Lundblad.



 But yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.



 Join us for this, and it won't be as long of an episode in terms of the story itself, but interesting nonetheless. So, you already know what I'm about to say.



 Please, make sure you grab your tea.



 Grab your snacks. If you're on the way to work, tuck yourself into a nice little corner on a train on the bus. Do what you have to do to really dive into the story.



 Because this is the story of Martin Tørnblad and Sarah Lundblad.



 (Gentle Music)



 In various parts of the Swedish countryside, bitter feuds rage over who has the right to certain lands. One such conflict lasted for many years between two neighboring farms in northern Forlosa, just outside of Kalma. On one side, we have the Tørnblad family, who can be described as a small-scale livestock set of farmers with limited land holdings. On the other side, Jørnlandblad, a property and forestry owner with land both in northern Forlosa, up in the Nisjöping area. The two farms are in sight of each other and managed by these two different owners.



 Land disputes are common in rural areas and can last for a very long time. For over 50 years, these two families have been locked in a fierce conflict.



 In the countryside, land equals power. It also represents wealth, which makes people eager to hold on to what they have and to acquire more to survive and develop their agricultural and forestry businesses.



 Jørnland was a successful farmer whose well-managed wealth has made him financially independent. He was a very hardworking man, though he might seem gruff. He was well-liked by those who knew him.



 However, his success exacerbated the bitter feud with his neighbors, the Tørnblads.



 The Tørnblads are known for their tendency to spend freely while Jørn is known for his frugality.



 This tension reached a peak when Jørnland's daughter, Saralandblad, began a relationship in 2009 with Martin Tørnblad, the son of the neighboring farm. This relationship sparked a significant conflict between father and daughter. Saraland Martin's vision of the future involved combining their lands. With Jørnland's wealth, they hoped to pay off the Tørnblad's substantial debts and create a combined farm and agricultural operation.



 When Saraland lent a large sum of money to the Tørnblads, Jørnland immediately took measures to restrict her ability to manage the family's assets. From then on, only he controlled the Lundblad fortune. On August 30th, 2012, Jørn vanished without a trace from the home he shared with Sarah. A week later, Sarah reported his disappearance to the police. Police inspector Jonas was called to the scene where both Sarah and Martin awaited for him.



 Jonas found the interview challenging. He had to remain highly focused in his questioning as it was difficult to get any information from Sarah, who was brief and not particularly helpful, with Martin frequently interrupting to answer on her behalf.



 Even so, Sarah was able to tell Jonas that it wasn't unusual for Jørnland to travel for work. However, this time, he hadn't mentioned any plans to leave.



 According to Sarah, she and Jørn had argued before his disappearance.



 Sarah felt she was ready to take over the farm, but Jørn disagreed, saying she wasn't ready. This disagreement caused great tension and conflict between them. Sarah was understandably upset about her father's disappearance. However, something fell off. Her sadness lacked genuine emotion. This struck Jonas as unusual, unlike other missing-person cases he had worked on. The police initially believed that Jørn had left his home voluntarily.



 They investigated ferries, flights, trains, but found no leads. It was like Jørn had disappeared without a trace.



 But one day, Sarah informed the police that she found Jørn's car near his other apartment. What the officer found strange was that she and Martin began renovating this apartment just a week after her father's disappearance. They also started renovating the farmhouse, painting and redecorating various parts of it. As summer transitions into fall, Sarah's half-sister who lives in another town contacts the police. She is worried and admits that she doesn't fully trust Sarah in her report of their father's disappearance.



 She also reaches out to the newly established nonprofit organization Missing People in Kalma.



 Despite extensive efforts, Missing People's search in the police investigation yielded no results and led nowhere. There were reports that Jørn had previously disappeared and returned as if nothing had happened. However, forensic technicians in Kalma checked account activity in other indicators but found no leads. Despite extensive efforts to determine if he was truly missing, there was no signs of life from Jørn.



 On December 22nd, 2012, the search for Jørn was called off due to a lack of progress as a larger murder investigation required all available police resources.



 A year passed, during which the Missing People successfully solved several other disappearance cases. Therese Tang and her colleagues began working on older, unsolved cases and in early 2014, they resumed their search for Jørn.



 When they revisited Jørn's house, the normally quiet road was unusually busy, mainly due to Martin's activity. It seemed like he knew the missing people were there. He was often passing by asking them questions or driving past as if on some errand. After the first two days of searching, there had been a gut feeling that Martin and Sarah might be involved. Despite the vast expanse of land where Jørn could be, this suspicion persisted throughout the investigation.



 Over the following months, Therese deliberately tried to build trust with Martin and Sarah.



 She easily befriended Martin but reaching Sarah proved more difficult. Whenever Therese mentioned Sarah to Martin, he would respond that she wasn't ready to meet yet. Nonetheless, Therese strategically maintained her approach to get closer to the both of them.



 The situation shifted when Martin began calling Therese more frequently, seeking emotional support and sharing personal issues, including his recent divorce from his ex-wife. He hoped to receive empathy from Therese and win her favor by revealing his situation.



 Martin believed they shed a common ground as he thought Therese had financial resources and an interest in farming.



 Over time, he aimed to replace Sarah with Therese for his own benefit. This made Therese felt extremely uncomfortable. However, Martin's disclosures to her became a key catalyst in advancing the stalled investigation.



 Nearly two years had passed since the disappearance of Jørn. During this time, Martin gradually grew to trust Therese. He sent her a text message, wanting to meet and reveal something important.



 This was the first time Therese felt a genuine sense of unease. Until then, they had been circling around the case, but now she sensed that something significant might happen. In the days leading up to the Midsummer Eve on June 19th, 2014, they met in the early morning. After some casual conversation, Therese confronted Martin, hoping to get him talk about Jørn's disappearance. Secretly recording their conversation, she felt she had a chance to break through his facade. Then he finally said it. Martin revealed fragments of the truth.



 According to Martin, Sarah had been at home and opened the door for him in the morning. Jørn was lying on his back with his face turned toward the wall sleeping. However, when Jørn heard someone coming, he woke up and turned around.



 Jørn was about to scream, but Martin was quicker.



 Before Jørn was able to make a sound or defend himself, Martin immediately pulled the trigger, shooting Jørn in the face. While this happened, Sarah was crying on the stairs. Martin described how he instructed Sarah to go to the barn and fetch a blue tarp and a rope. They managed to lift Jørn's body into the pickup truck and transported him to Martin's farm, where they had previously prepared and dug a grave in the middle of the farmland.



 Therese then said, "You need to tell me exactly where the body is."



 And so he did. Martin described that the body was located three fields away from their farm, about one kilometer on the Tørnblød families farm.



 On June 20th, shortly after Martin meet with Therese, he is arrested. Two days later, Sarah is also arrested. To verify Martin's account of how the murder occurred, the police initiate a thorough forensic investigation of Jørn's home. Sarah had mentioned that shortly after Jørn's disappearance, she had redecorated the room he used as a bedroom.



 Forensic technicians noted a meticulous way the wallpaper had been replaced. They observed that the wallpaper had been carefully applied, particularly around the bed, but the precision diminished as they moved away from it.



 As they continue to investigate, they found clear indications of blood, suggesting that fluids had been absorbed into the fabric around the bed. The presence of water and cleaning agents was also very notable, and eventually they confirmed the findings. They also retrieved a weapon that had been cleaned with a detergent, which had damaged the firearm's surface, fitting into the overall picture of the crime. While the technical investigation was going on, interrogations of Martin and Sarah began. Martin shot Jørn in the head from about a meter away with a double-barreled shotgun, at least one shot directly to his skull. He then played a crucial role in transporting the body to a car, driving it to his own farm, unloading it and disposing of the body and the tarp in a pre-dug grave.



 It was believed that Sarah was present during the murder. However, it's unclear whether she instructed Martin to kill her father and then help dispose of the body, or if Martin came to her house, shot her father, and Sarah was upset and unwilling to participate in the murder. What was clear was her involvement in the removal of the body.



 During the police investigation, it was revealed that after Jørn's disappearance, Sarah forged his signature on valuable documents and transferred nearly one million kroner to Martin.



 Large sums also went missing from one of her father's safe deposit boxes.



 Several people who acted as guardians for Jørn's assets testified that Sarah and several members of the Tonbuk family had behaved threateningly and aggressively towards them when Sarah's assets were being scrutinized.



 The motive for murdering Jørn appears to be to gain access to his money and property, with Sarah being the primary heir.



 To confirm that a murder was indeed occurred, it is crucial for the investigation to locate Jørn's body.



 The following morning, forensic technicians began their search. They carefully worked down the depth where they suspected the body might have been buried. The body was then found approximately two meters down. The face was somewhat disfigured, but there was no doubt about the identification. Sarah and Martin were initially convicted in the district court, and on January 20th, 2015, the Court of Appeals held up their 18-year sentence for murder.



 After the conviction, Martin has since said that there is another perpetrator involved. He has also stated that he is trying to go towards a path of forgiveness.



 Martin has also been attacked multiple times in prison for being a snitch when he had plans to tell who truly murdered Jørn, which the other prisoners did not approve of. Sarah, now convicted of murder, is disinherited. Under the law, a person who murders an heir is not entitled to inherit from that person.



 Jørn was estimated to be worth 50 to 60 million kronor, and to this day, Sarah blames Martin for being disinherited of this fortune. With the Tørnblood family's financial troubles leading to bankruptcy, and Jørn's house standing vacant and showing signs of wear from neglect, the community moves on.



 I wanna say something first.

 Okay.



 (Laughs)

 I barely even had time to breathe, buddy, go ahead.

 I saw you took a deep breath, so I was like, let me say something first. I was like. It's real quick, I promise, it's real quick, it's real quick.

 It was okay, it's okay, go ahead.



 I just wanna say that Sarah is, well, this is not victim blaming, so I don't feel bad, Sarah's dumb. Oh my, okay. How did she not see that this dude was taking advantage of her, because Martin literally the second that he felt like they were safe, quote,



 quote, unquote, he then started opening up to Therese, about starting emotionally opening up.

 And he thought she was better, so.

 Yeah, he was trying to replace Therese, Sarah, for Therese.

 So what does that tell you? And Therese is like, no.

 Yeah, but she played it smart. So Therese, you the real one, if you out there.

 Oh, you probably would love her, just like.

 Yeah, we gotta have an interview, because you locked in for this one. You locked in, I love it.

 And the missing people organization.

 Y'all locked in, I will do whatever it takes to meet y'all and have an interview, because you locked in. This is what I call goat behavior.

 Okay, Devonta just the, yeah. I knew you would love her. I was like, oh, he's gonna love her, because like she was, you know. She was able to basically solve the whole case.



 And that's because, I mean, you said that Sarah was stupid, but like, I feel like Martin was not.

 Oh no, he was definitely.

 Because he was just, he wanted to have, I guess, emotional support and whatever. And then he basically just told everything.



 Let me clarify for the audience. Sarah's dumb. Martin is definitely stupid. He's guaranteed dummy. So trust me, I think they're both dumb.

 Yeah, I was basically like, I don't want you to be with him. Like he's just, he's sneaky. And she's like, no, you know.

 She couldn't even tell she was being used by a moron, which means she was even dumber, which is why, you know, rest in peace, Yodan. But I'm just like, he was like, you're not ready, clearly.

 There's some sources that indicate that they have a child together.



 By the way,

 I just wanted to say that.

 I don't know even how they had time with that. Cause like,



 it must have happened immediately after the disappearance, cause they barely was together for a long time. I think they were together for like, Oh,

 it's only together for like a couple of years.

 No, I think that they were together for like for a year, maybe, and then the father disappeared. And then he disappeared for like two years. I mean, I mean, maybe they could have done it after or maybe before, I don't know.

 Just a little before you, but either way, they're dumb.



 Therese, you're locked in. I am good.

 Okay, so I actually wanted to ask you a question regarding like Sarah, but I just wanted like throw out the facts for y'all to just know.



 So the murder was brutal.



 Sarah saw her father, Yaram,



 you know, blood everywhere, shot in the head. Everything was like horrible.



 And you know, normally people would just freak out. They'd be like, oh my God, a dead body. But like Sarah, she must have seen it. Cause like based on Martin's, you know,



 whatever he said,



 she was crying, but then she was helping out or whatever.



 So she must've seen the father in the state that he was in, but she was still able to help, you know, transport the body. She was able to prevent anyone else from finding out. She was able to stay composed during the police interrogations or interview. And you know, the police officer in the beginning, Jonas, was like, this is weird. Cause she was so cold.



 So obviously he noticed that her behavior was very strange,



 but you know,



 she was able to stay calm, which is also very strange for someone to lose their family member recently. They don't know where he is.



 And I also wanted to add something in contrast to the half sister. So the half sister, you know,



 she was so worried about him. She called true. Like when Therese called the half sister, she was like, oh my God, somebody's finally like trying to search for him. I've been calling every day. I'm so worried. The police aren't doing anything. They're the only pre-prioritized some other case and please help me, please. She was like begging Therese for help. And Therese was like, I got you. And then when she called, you know what, like when she called Sarah to inform she's gonna continue on the search for Yara. Sarah was like, you know, I put that all behind me now. I don't understand why people still looking for him. He's, you know, he's gone. So, you know, but do what you gotta do. So don't disturb us.



 Like I'm not gonna disturb you. So, you know, do your thing. So it was like a very contrast, you know.



 Yeah.

 I think this is a lesson to many parents and future parents, you know.

 (Laughing)



 Be careful how you decide to kind of spoil your children and treat your children.

 I know man, that's crazy.

 The reason I say that is because I remember when, way back when, when I was in college doing case studies, right?



 I remember there was, there was a case of something very similar.



 I'll try and find it. I think I might still have it on like one of my old Google drives or something like that from school. And it was a very similar situation where the child, the son, it was a son. The son had a wealthy father. And because he grew up in a lifestyle of like, okay, yeah, you know, I have all this money.



 He was very comfortable with his money. Yeah, he was rich. He was very comfortable with his money. But because he grew up in a lifestyle where he didn't hear the word no, you know, that actually does change how children perceive not only money, but the world. So when they feel like things should be accessible to them, they should have something, any form of opposition, they deem as why? Cause it's a foreign concept to them. Like in their brain, they've never heard no their entire lives. So then it's just like, what do you mean? I'm not, I can't have this farm.

 And then Sarah was like, I'm going to give this much money to them. And he's like, what are you doing? And they just denied access for the fortune.

 Denied her access completely, which

 was, Okay. Yes. I'm going to remember that.

 It's literally from going like from 100 to zero. Literally he stopped her in her tracks. And then she lived the life where, remember he was, even as a farmer or someone who owned rural land, he was wealthy, which means she lived a good life. And then the fact that the father denied her something.

 I mean, they did fight, I think like a lot because of that, the whole thing.



 With her not being able to control any of the assets.



 So yeah.

 She was denying access to the money. So which is why I'm like, be careful. Just in general, be careful with people.



 Say no sometimes.

 Do you want to know how many times she called him during his disappearance?



 How many was it? So over three months,



 with nothing from Yaram, she called the father's phone 11 times



 and they were all under four seconds and no voicemail messages at all.

 So basically she would call and just like essentially hang up.

 Yeah. And you know, the sister called every day, left voice messages and everything. It was really trying to find him.

 The half sister, right? Yeah.

 The half sister.

 The half sister, yeah.

 So it's like, it's a huge contrast.



 And that's why they figured out like her behavior was very strange.



 And you know, we know the motive was money, obviously.



 Yeah. And you know, if she didn't have a good relationship with Yaram, I asked if we already know. So how much do you think she was involved in the crime? Do you feel like she was- Oh, in my personal opinion? Yeah.



 Oh, I absolutely believe this was premeditated wholeheartedly. They were planning it. What are the chances?



 Because based on the story, remember what she said.



 Well, based on what the story said,



 how would he conveniently come over, conveniently he turns over, conveniently you shoot him in the skull, conveniently there's already a hole, Doug,



 conveniently move out the body and bury it. Though like, think of it as like in the spur of the moment.

 But the question was more like, do you think it was only Martin who did all that? Or was it like-

 No, no, no. First of all, I think he's too dumb. Oh my God. I think she was the one who like was the mastermind truthfully because she was stupid. She didn't know she was being taken advantage of.

 She asked him to like murder, like you have to murder my dad or something.

 I think like the way that it happened was premeditated as if like, oh, it just happened. But I think she was the one who planned it



 and was like leading this thing. And Martin comes off as someone who was a moron. Like he was just someone who was just like, I'm just an opportunist, I'm here for the money. And she was the one who was just like, I deserve this, blah, blah, blah. Like this how that relationship comes off to me. And then him emotionally being so open with Therese makes it seem like she was very cold, very calculated and distant naturally, which is why I remember this is my assumption. I don't know if this is right or not, but that's why it seems like he was kind of unloading on Therese. I'm like, you have a whole girlfriend. Like, why are you unloading on someone else? You haven't known for that long.

 Permeating is a very popular thing nowadays, Devontae.

 True, but it comes off like the relationship was she was always kind of cold and calculating. And I wouldn't be surprised if the dad saw how like disconnected she was at all.

 I mean, he left his ex wife to be with Sarah. That's like interesting.



 Yeah, it sounds like something was going on. Truthfully, I don't wanna dive deep into her life, but I can talk about it. It seemed like something was going on with her personality and I wouldn't be surprised if she was upon a reason.

 I think they probably had like a long discussion about like wanting to get rid of him. And then they actually, you know, it became action in the end eventually. So I believe that's true as well.



 I also wanted to ask you like, why don't you think the police investigators, you know, suspected them in the beginning because don't you usually suspect people who are close to the victims



 when there's like a kidnapping investigation?



 Yeah, so I know usually they suspect people who are closer, you know, like husbands, wives, children, you know, family, whatever. I think, I don't know the process and procedure over there cause obviously it can be slight differences, but I think maybe what crossed their mind was motive. Like they probably felt like she was a part of the farm. She was making good money, she was rich. So she didn't have a motive to kill him, not knowing the details of the disagreement that they had before he died. Because if they don't know that, then from the outside, it looks like, you know, well, there's no reason for her. She had money before and after. So money can be the motivation. So it kind of takes out

 the- And they all seem to be like normal people in general. Like I don't, maybe that's why, but I just feel like usually people, even though there's no motive, I feel like investigators still have some type of like,



 you know, that they do suspect the like close members of the family or people they know.



 Yeah, I agree.



 I actually wanted to say that they did suspect



 that other people might have been involved in the whole thing, that there was like,



 that they suspected other members of the turn blots to-

 Oh, absolutely.

 They were like egging them on.

 They were all in on it. How you show up to like, okay, Sarah inherited all that money in the property and they're with her pressuring, how dare you question her? I'm like, absolutely.

 They were in on it. They were egging them on. Like they were like probably helping. Like there's theories that they probably helped about, that they saw some people hanging around the crime scene or like there was a man specifically who was just like close by always.



 And, you know, even though they felt like they were close to the truth and they felt like this case is, you know, as close as it could be to the truth, they still suspect that there was a lot of people, especially from the turn blots family side,



 who was helping out in some way to make it possible for them to, you know.



 You know what I'm saying? I'm sure.



 Like that's not something your neighbor, no matter what beef you have, your neighbor goes missing and your first thought is, let me take his property.



 Yeah, nah, I'm okay on that. Yeah, they were involved. They probably didn't actively plan the murder or anything like that, but they were in on the, they probably suspected and were in on it to some level. Just like, okay, well, we suspect is probably them two, but we're not gonna say anything. They just didn't snitch. Basically that's what it is. They didn't snitch.



 I guess we can wrap up the episode with some safety measures and security measures. So hit us with the best shot, Devante.

 So why is it always me?

 Because I know you're a pro at this. You always, you know, talking about security measures. So what would you do if you were about to be kidnapped? I know it's hard to kidnap you because you obviously like super strong, so, but you know.

 I'm so done. It's not even just about being super strong because you can, the strength itself is not,



 you know, there's other factors to it. I would say if I'm gonna go in order, parents pay attention to what you say and do to your children. You can prevent this. This is a preventable thing because clearly the half sister had some sense and Sarah did not. So be mindful of how you're raising your children, of saying no to them. No does not mean they're gonna be hurt or, you know, it's gonna damage them for the rest of their lives. It teaches them that sometimes they can't always have what they want, which is a healthy thing, not only for their own lives, but also it makes them a lot easier to deal with in workplaces and relationships in the future when they become adults. So don't think of them as always, just simply children. Think of them as future adults who will eventually interact with other people. And it would make them far more tolerable to everybody else as well. Two,



 if you suspect, let's say your children are already older and money is unfortunately a driving force to some of these situations.



 If you suspect something might be off, pay attention. If your gut is telling you something, listen to your gut and you can, I'm not trying to give financial advice here, but I think you should like put your stuff in a living trust and then have backup plans just in case if you're murdered, money isn't released immediately, or just simply have your finances set up in a way that, you know, it won't release in a way that, you know, anybody can gain access to it. But in this case, it's already law in Sweden apparently, that if you kill the person

 who you'd heard of- If this proof you killed it, yeah. So it's like, no, you're not gonna get nothing.



 Yeah, so by default, that's already a law, which is smart. But nonetheless, in terms of staying alive, pay attention. If you have an argument over money,



 and I mean, like, I'm not talking about like 10, $20



 and something that's literally negligible, but if you're talking about thousands or millions of dollars and you have a disagreement about it, pay attention. You might not wanna go home and sleep in your house with someone who just had an argument about money because it's,



 I'm not saying everyone's like this, no, but pay attention, because that can be a sign that you need to be somewhere else for your own safety.



 And last is overall,



 as much as money, you know, does affect our lives and how important it is in terms of a tool that we can use to live and survive, it is not everything. Money can always be made. Now, can money solve a lot of my problems? Can it solve my problems, the Lila's problems, your problems? Probably, but also I don't think it's worth taking someone's life over, because money is a thing that we give value to. You know, money, its value comes from how we think it is. So if we don't think it's valuable, money isn't valuable. That's pretty much how it works. So relax, calm down, there are other alternatives, all right? So those are my three tips.

 That was amazing, amazing advice. We should probably add some applause right here, because that was really lovely.

 So good.

 Great job, Devontae. But my question was security measures, if you're getting kidnapped, not economic.

 Well, security, well, I would say, I gave you general advice.

 I got it, I got it, I got it, I just wanted to say, like, a good job with Tereas and Missing People Organization for doing an incredible job, applause to them as well.



 It was really smart that she was recording the conversation,



 but obviously that is dangerous, so don't do that by yourself. She's obviously probably trained and she have a team to back her up. But other things that she did that I thought was a really good thing, was that she was setting up tracking apps on her phone and there's all new technology.



 Yeah, I messed up that, I was like, rrr.



 With new technology, you can obviously find with your phones and whatever to find you. So that is a really cool thing. There's also discrete alarm buttons or you can have self-defense, learn some self-defense or fight back or use like pepper spray or anything like that so that you can have a good chance of survival. And that is, I checked it out actually, it's legal in Sweden, if you buy it from a store where they say it's legal, obviously, because you can get illegal stuff and that's not really good.



 But yeah, self-protection is a good thing.



 Yes, so let's end the episode on a good note.



 I had my craving today, I wanted some honey Chipotle wings and I got them.

 I want like spaghetti.



 I've been eating spaghetti for like this whole week, but it's so good. Spaghetti with like tomato sauce or like any type of cream or white sauce.



 So much carbs.

 Okay, well, sorry for being carby.



 Carby, but let us know what you think about this case and feel free to reach out to us on our social medias and also be mindful. There's a YouTube series that is on for our podcast and I dive deeper into some of the previous cases. So go to YouTube, it's gonna be in the link tree and you can catch up with us over there, well, with me over there specifically and catch up with us and we'll see you next week.



 Bye.

 Bye.