Murderers: Joe Erling Jahr and Ole Nicolai Kvisler

Scandinavian Crimes (w/ Devante & Delila)

Years of Incident: 2001-2002
Location: Norway
Murderers: Joe Erling Jahr and Ole Nicolai Kvisler
Victim(s): 2 Official Victims (Several Unofficials)
Method: Murder, Racially Motivated Crimes

In 2001, Benjamin Hermansen, a 15-year-old of mixed Norwegian-Ghanaian heritage, was murdered in Oslo by Joe Erling Jahr and Ole Nicolai Kvisler, members of the neo-Nazi group "Boot Boys." The racially motivated stabbing shocked Norway and led to widespread public protests against racism. Jahr was sentenced to 18 years in prison, while Kvisler received 17 years, with a third accomplice, Veronica Andreassen, receiving a shorter sentence. Hermansen's murder became a symbol of the fight against racism and is commemorated annually, sparking national discussions on xenophobia and far-right extremism in Norway.


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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction
• 2:54 Story - Background
• 7:31 Story - The Murder
• 11:51 Story - The Trial & Sentencing
• 15:04 Story - Public Response and Aftermath
• 17:15 Discussion Section
• 30:34 Conclusion/Outro

Transcript

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Welcome to Scandinavian Crimes. My name is Devante and say hello to my lovely co-host, Delila.

Hi.

And on this podcast, we cover famous Scandinavian criminals who made their mark throughout Scandinavian history.

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So welcome to today's episode where we will tell the tragic story of Benjamin Hermanson. I hope I'm saying that correctly.

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What is mostly known is the Home-Leah, Home-Leah murder. I'm leaving all that in. I want you to know how I struggle for you guys. All right?

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So on the night of January 26, 2001, Benjamin was brutally stabbed by members of the neo-Nazi group Boot Boys. This horrific act of violence led to the conviction of Joe Erling,(...) Jarl Ule,

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and Nikolai Kvysler.(...) Like I said, these names are interesting.

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Why are you saying it like that? Andrason,(...) Andresen.

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These names, I've never heard these names before over here in the States.

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We will tell the tragic story of Benjamin Hermanson and what is mostly known as the Home-Leah murder.

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On the night of January 26, 2001, Benjamin was brutally stabbed by members of the neo-Nazi group Boot Boys. This horrific act of violence led to the conviction of Joe Erling, Jarl, Ola Nikolai Kvysler,(...) and Veronica Andresen.

(...) See, perfect. See, you should do the reading from now on.

Okay.

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But you're gonna really, it's not gonna be a super long episode. You'll enjoy it. Nonetheless, it'll still be a tale of caution for those of us out there. But nonetheless, you already know what to do.(...) Grab your tea, grab your snacks.

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If you're on your way to work, tuck yourself into a nice little corner in the back of the train or on the bus

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as we tell the story of Joe Erling Jarl and Ola Nikolai Kvysler,

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the Home-Leah murder. Home-Leah murder.

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Joe Erling Jarl was born on November 11th, 1981.(...) He lived with his mother and older brother in Bowler.(...) And from the age of 12, his mother started being frequently absent from the home. These absences were often long, leaving Joe and his brother to care for themselves.(...) Although the mother occasionally returned to restock the fridge and leave money, the boys were effectively without proper care.(...) Sometimes other relatives offer some assistance. However, Joe had very limited contact with his father. At around 15 years old, Joe's brother moved out.(...) And about a year later, his mother relocated to the United States.

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He briefly lived with his mother in the US, but he struggled to adjust and returned to Norway. Joe then lived alone, occasionally providing shelter to friends who had conflicts with their parents.(...) He then attempted to live with his father at the age of 17 or 18, and later with an uncle, which were both unsuccessful.(...) Ola Nikolai Kvysler, born on July 23rd, 1979, grew up in a typical family in Home-Leah with an older sister.

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At 15, his family moved to Prinsdal, where he lived until he was 21, and moved into the Buller apartment with Joe.(...) In childhood, around the ages of 11 to 12, Ole was reportedly harassed by youth with foreign backgrounds. He described incidents of shoving, pushing, and general minor altercations, but also more serious events, which included being robbed. Much of his harassment was gang-related. At the time, Home-Leah had several gangs, and the relationship between them often divided along racial lines as white and black was marked by frequent conflicts and violent clashes.

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Initially, Ole's involvement with these conflicts stemmed from personal disputes, but over time, he developed a broader negative attitude towards immigrants and people from different cultural backgrounds. At approximately 15 or 16, Ole began reading literature about World War II and the American Civil War, which further entrenched his xenophobic views. Around the same time, he connected with far-right individuals in Nordstrand, and quickly became involved in his extremist environment. At 16, Ole participated in his first attack on people of color and continued to harass and assault immigrants in the following years. He became a notable figure in Norway's far-right scene, especially within the Blood and Honor group.

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Beyond his racist and anti-immigrant beliefs, Ole was attracted to the camaraderie, uniformity, and glorification of violence in the neo-Nazi environment.

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Parties and alcohol also played a role in his attraction to this lifestyle. Joe first met Ole in 1999, but it became close in 2000, as Ole became more involved in the neo-Nazi scene in "Buller." By December 2000, Ole, Eric LaRitzen, and Ole's girlfriend, Veronica Andreessen, were living with Joe in his apartment. Their apartment became a hub for far-right neo-Nazi movement, regularly hosting parties and gathering.

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The apartment was adorned with Nazi symbols and propaganda, and weapons were extremely common.

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Ole often carried blunt weapons, while Joe typically had a knife.

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Ole also owned several firearms, including a pistol kept in the apartment and an AG-3 rifle stored with a friend.

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Joe deeply admired Ole.

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Seeing him as a role model,(...) unlike Joe, Ole was strong, confident, and respected within the neo-Nazi community as a member of the Blood and Honor. While Ole may have not formally led Joe, he commanded his respect, as well as loyalty. While Ole denied having a formal leadership role, there's insufficient evidence to label him as a leader beyond the natural influence of his personality, as well as his actions.

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He was self-assured, outwardly aggressive, and physically strong, qualities that likely gave him a degree of sway over others within the extremist environment.

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Joe has no prior criminal record, but has been fined once while Ole was serving a sentence.

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He had also been convicted three times before, including once in Sweden, and fined three times.

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On the afternoon of Friday, January 26, 2001, Ole received a phone call that upset him, making him extremely irritable. When he returned to the apartment, the situation was discussed further with Joe, Veronica, Eric, and several other friends from the far-right extremist circle who were present.

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After some time, Ole and Veronica decided to go for a drive, and Joe joined them. The trip was driven by Ole's boredom and bad mood.

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Before they left, there was talks of going to Lambert's Center to seek revenge on Moroccans for an incident Eric had recently faced.(...) However, this plan was dropped when Eric chose not to join them.(...) Among the three people who went out, there was a discussion about stopping(...) by a convenience store to pick up some items. They drove in Ole's older Ford Tannis, with him at the wheel, Veronica in the front, passenger seat, and Joe in the back. During the drive, Ole instructed Veronica to watch for dark-skinned individuals intending to intimidate or assault anyone they encountered. There is no evidence suggesting that a stabbing or murder was planned at this point. When they reached Asbroton in Homelier, Veronica saw 15-year-old Benjamin in Holly outside the grocery store.(...) Benjamin, born on May 29th, 1985, was a Norwegian teenager of mixed heritage with a Ghanaian father and a Norwegian mother.

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Veronica alerted the others, and Ole drove up to them stopping nearby. The atmosphere in the car turned tense and aggressive, and once outside, Ole and Joe immediately ran toward Benjamin and Holly.

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Joe and Ole drew their prospective knives, which they equipped themselves for the trip.

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Benjamin and Holly had noticed that they were there. They were two closely cropped individuals in the car and immediately recognized them as neo-Nazi.(...) They exchanged concerned looks with each other and felt uneasy. When they saw Joe and Ole running towards them, they began to run as well.(...) All of them ran down the walkway alongside the apartment building.(...) After about 30 meters, the path ends at a fence blocking half of the walkway's width with a passage left of the turnaround area. Ole caught up with Benjamin just before the fence and grabbed him. Benjamin briefly managed to break free, but Ole quickly recaptured him. After some struggle, Ole cornered Benjamin between the fence and the building.(...) This happened partly because Joe blocked the passage next to the fence.(...) Benjamin was thus trapped, and Ole stabbed him in the back with a knife he was holding.(...) The knife penetrated through his clothing and into the soft tissue of his back, creating a stab wound channel of 6.5 centimeters in a downward direction.

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Benjamin cried out as he was stabbed, and after the attack, he managed to break free and fell over the fence.(...) Joe quickly joined him, pinning Benjamin down by kneeling on him and delivering two powerful stabs to his upper body.(...) One stab pierced his right upper arm and the other entered his chest near the right nipple extending through the cartilage between the fourth and fifth ribs into his right side of the heart.

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Ole then ran to the car, reversed to Joe, picked him up, and they fled the scene at high speed. The stab wound to the heart caused immediate and severe bleeding, but despite this, Benjamin managed to stand and stagger forward about 30 meters toward the turnaround area before collapsing and die.

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The cause of death was exsanguination from a stab wound to the heart.

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After leaving Benjamin behind, Joe and Ole, along with Veronica, drove to Rustad School and parked at the rear before returning to their apartment.

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In the apartment, they see on TV that a boy was stabbed and killed in Homelie.(...) Ole, Veronica, and Joe agree that Joe should flee the country while they place all the blame on him.(...) After seeing the news, Joe leaves the apartment and spends the night with an acquaintance. The following day, he traveled by bus to Denmark, where he remained until his arrest by Danish police on February 1st, 2001.

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Although he resists extradition, he is handed over a few days later. Ole and Veronica were arrested on the night of the murder as well. The Oslo District Court delivered the judgment on January 17th, 2002.

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Joe was sentenced to 16 years and Ole to 15 years in prison.(...) Veronica was convicted of complicity and racially motivated bodily harm resulting in death, receiving a three-year sentence six months longer than the prosecution's recommendation.

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Joe, Ole, and the prosecutor appealed the Oslo District Court's judgment while Veronica chose not to appeal, making the District Court's judgment final in her case.(...) The appeal hearing took place at the Oslo courthouse from November 11th to December 4th, 2002. The defendants attended and gave testimony. The court also received testimony from four court-appointed experts and 39 witnesses, including two expert witnesses.(...) In evaluating the evidence, the Court of Appeal primarily relied on Holly's consistent and credible testimony, which was central to understanding the events that occurred.

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His account of the incident, including the fatal stabbing of Benjamin, is corroborated by other witness statements, forensic reports, expert testimony, and some extent by the defendant's statement.

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The Court of Appeal is clear that Benjamin was pursued, attacked, and killed solely because of his skin color, making the murder racially motivated for both defendants.(...) It was a random and unprovoked attack that led to a murder.

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While Ole initially suggested targeting dark-skinned individuals, Joe's acceptance and participation in this plan demonstrated that he shared the same racist motives.(...) This is further reinforced by their connections to the neo-Nazi environment.

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At the time of his death, Benjamin was defenseless and unable to escape or protect himself from the defendants, both armed with knives.(...) By the time Joe delivered the fatal stab, Benjamin was already on the ground and incapacitated from previous attacks.

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During the appeal, both Joe and Ole claimed to have distanced themselves from far-right and neo-Nazi groups. However, the authenticity of this claim is unclear, especially given Ole's letter to Joe from August 2002, which suggests otherwise.

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The appellate court deems it unnecessary to explore this further, as these factors do not affect sentencing.

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Joe's age and difficult upbringing at the time of the murder were also mentioned. Despite this,

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Joe's sentencing was set at 18 years of imprisonment. While his involvement was secondary to Ole's, the focus is on the fact that Joe delivered the final stab and participated in the events without objection.

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Ole's sentence was set to 17 years in prison.(...) Although he did not deliver the fatal blow, he initiated and actively participated in the pursuit and stabbing.(...) Additionally, as a driver, he left the scene knowing Benjamin had been stabbed multiple times.

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Ole's prior convictions, including those for violence, further aggravated his sentence.(...) Their appeal to the Supreme Court was then denied,(...) making the court of appeals verdict the end of the trials. The community felt that this security of home Leon disappeared with the arrival of neo-Nazis,(...) the place where everyone knew everyone had been infected by something they didn't want there, something that created a feeling of insecurity.(...) But quickly, this feeling transformed into something else, unity and support both locally and nationally.(...) The murder of Benjamin sparked widespread outrage across Norway, leading to nationwide protests, including a march in Oslo with nearly 40,000 participants led by the crown prince and the prime minister.(...) It was one of the biggest commemorations in Norway after the second world war.(...) It did not only cause attention in Norway, but also internationally. Many major media reported on the case and several internationally known artists have taken it up. Even Michael Jackson dedicated his 2001 album, Invincible to Benjamin, urging people to judge people by the character and not by the color of their skin.

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In Benjamin's memory, the Benjamin Prize was established in 2002 to combat racism, awarded annually on January 27th, coinciding with the Holocaust Remembrance Day, and honor schools that make significant efforts against racism and discrimination.(...) In October 2021,(...) the Deichmann Library in Homelie opened the Benjamin Room, a space dedicated to youth discussions on anti-racism and community involvement.

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However, the far-right attempted to honor the perpetrators,(...) Clara Dorothean Watson,(...) an Oslo woman with far-right views, left money in her will to the Nazi sympathizers, controversially allocating 250,000 Norwegian kroner, or around $443,000 US dollars, to Ule.

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This sparked significant media attention and raised legal concerns. After serving their sentence, Ule returned to the neo-Nazi activities while Joe expressed remorse for his involvement in the murder.

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Before we start, I wanna say this very specific thing, and maybe you might bring this up later, but I feel that this opinion of black people, when he was young, right? Yeah. It stemmed from the fact that he himself was living in a crappy neighborhood.

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And what we've learned in history, when it comes to like immigrants

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in a lot of different countries for some very odd reason, which is, I don't wanna get into,

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when immigrants come over to a country, they often live in those environments where there isn't a ton of resources, which as we know, as a fact,

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will increase violence in the neighborhood because they're fighting for resources. So because he also was poor,

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he was also alone, pretty much.

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I'm referring specifically to Joe.

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His opinion- You mean Joe, or do you mean, okay?

I mean Joe, yeah. So Joe, his opinion changed because he was living in an environment with other people who were also struggling just like him. And what happens when you're living in an environment where you're struggling, often violence will increase. So I say all this is, this is kind of how that rhetoric kind of gets to people like that.(...) They associate their misfortune

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with other people who are also dealing with misfortune.

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And it kind of sucks that instead of being like, "Oh, my parents are responsible for me being in this situation, my dad, my mom just left, and that didn't work out. She's living her life in the US.

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I'm in this crappy environment."(...) But instead, lashing out at somebody else for problems that had nothing to do with them. And even then, I know they send the story like, "Oh yeah, you know, there was bullying, blah, blah, blah."

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I don't know if it's true or not.(...) I'm not gonna discredit it. If I were to take it at its word, fine.

Do you mean for Ulu? Because like, the thing is,(...) back in the day,(...) there were a lot of like racial gangs and they just egged on each other.(...) So it was like, it was an endless evil cycle between gangs. And then they started attacking other people.

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So like basically, Joe obviously could have been a victim of those attacks. And when he saw that, you know, his white friends helped him out, because they were part of the like neo-Nazi gangs, he felt a sense of belonging, as you said.(...) So like, sure,

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he was in an environment where he felt like, "Oh, I belong in this environment."(...) "I have somebody, I have a family, the family I don't have." Like, "I didn't have before."

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And true.

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And obviously, after the sentence, he started showing remorse and he started to distance himself from the neo-Nazi environment.

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But I still believe like, even though the circumstances,

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I, you know, you should never commit murder. Like, I show no mercy. Okay. I don't like feel like, I feel like because he went, he got sentenced and he served his time.(...) I think that's like, that's that. Now we can like move on from it. By believe like, obviously, even if you're a victim of your environment, you have the choice to, you know,

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not become a criminal.

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Yeah, it's just one of those things where

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I truly would like to understand

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what, like the thought process, because even the life that I've lived.

It's like a cult. It's like when you get like, you get brainwashed basically, and you put the blame of everything and everything that sucks in life on somebody else.

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Yeah, and it's interesting because I'm like, even the life that I've lived, my experiences,(...) even if I may not feel comfortable around certain,(...) as comfortable around certain types of people until I feel like, okay, they're cool.(...) My first thought isn't to, oh, let me swing on them. Let me do this. Let me do that because it's like,

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you know, maybe like I said, I'm pretty, we will get to it at some point, but I guess I'm rational enough to be like, these problems either have nothing to do with these random people, or I associate my problems specifically with the individual or with the whatever process or whatever. I don't attach it to just random people who might look like somebody else, you know? So, but that's just my little two cents, but you can go ahead. I just wanted to get that out of my system, you know?

Because like, I mean, we could talk about the like, psychiatric,(...) whoa.

Psychiatric?

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Psychiatric, oh, wow. I can't speak the, the,

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they did tests. They test and check his character profile and his like mental health.(...) And the experts determined that Joe had a neurobiological personality and behavioral disorder that like basically impairs his ability to learn theoretical concepts, think abstractly and follow rules and norms.

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But like, despite these challenges,(...) his practical abilities and overall functioning is like above average.(...) And he like, he does not have a general intellectual disability per se.

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So like, because of his brain dysfunction, you know, it's present, it's still possible for him to develop coping strategies or to manage it.(...) So like, sure, because maybe because of the environment, he, you know,

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started having these, like he started developing these personality or behavioral disorder.

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Which is not uncommon.

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And basically he was in an environment that just made it a lot worse.(...) That's why he was like, oh, Ule is gonna attack this black person, I'm gonna do it too, you know?

Yeah.

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So that could explain a lot of like, like he probably had or received help during his sentence time and probably worked on himself. But that's, that's really good that he like changed.(...) It's just unfortunate that somebody had to die for him to change and realize that or get help, you know, in general. Yeah.(...) And there was actually someone who testified,

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you know, Joe's character,

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and it was a friend of his or a childhood friend that grew up with him in Berlin.

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And he basically described him as like someone who, like,(...) like, you know, Joe helped, you know, he got people or other like people of colors of mothers or stuff like that. He wasn't like, he didn't have that hatred

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that was later shown.

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And his friend basically suggested that like Joe,

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like when he encountered the Neo-Nazi group,

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he wasn't like, he didn't join them because of their beliefs. He joined them because of seeking a sense of belonging and brotherhood.

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So like, there were evidence and profiling and, you know, stuff made.

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And during trial, Joe was basically like, I'm a victim of violence.

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Like, I didn't do it because I wanted to, basically.

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And he was saying like, when I was 14, I was assaulted on a subway by a gang of child robbers with a Somali background. And this is like, he's like saying basically what this friend was basically, like, it's like, I don't know what he's doing. He's digging his own grave. And he's like, because of that gang that attacked me and the Neo-Nazi helped me, that's why I feel like, you know, I hate black people, I hate people of color.

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So like,(...) I don't know. I feel like he probably developed that hatred and he had that, but then he worked on himself probably and then ended up realizing that it's not black people's fault and stuff like that.

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Yeah, it's, I guess for me, it's hard for me to wrap my mind around stuff like this. Plenty of other things too, because I'm just thinking about how like,

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wouldn't like this, to me it makes sense. And maybe, you know, even though this is like 2001 when they got convicted and all that stuff, but information was still available. But either way, I think naturally because I'm thinking with my mind now, because in 2001, obviously I was alive, but I was just, you know, seven, you know? So to me, it makes sense that when you're in environments that are not good,

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violence is more likely to occur.

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You know, cause like I said, that's, you're fighting for resources. That's not just for black people. That's not just for white people. That's not just for Mexican, whatever your background is. That applies to any group of people. When you're in an environment with little resources, violence is much higher compared to other areas where they have better education and resources.

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Now,

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even if something like that would have happened and I live in New York City and like I said, New York City was a completely different place back in like 2001.

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And, you know, if something were to happen, well technically stuff like that did happen, it's just, you know, I'm not condoning violence, but you know, you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. Either way, when stuff like that would happen, like going to or from school, whatever,(...) I didn't associate it with like a group of people. I associated with those people, like specifically the people who did it.(...) And I guess it's tough for me to understand other people who like, oh, someone did this to me. All of you must be doing this to me. When a reality, you know, like we're human, just like how you can be a jerk. Then if someone would be like, oh, you're all jerks, then I guarantee you he would feel some type of way just like anybody else would feel some type of way. So I guess to me conceptually, I just can't understand how people, it's so easy for people to associate one bad thing in their life and then be like, oh, everyone must be like this. But also that that's probably due to the lack of exposure. But then again, I'm pretty sure he was living in those areas with those people. He just didn't interact with them to get to know them as well.

The thing is like, what sucks about this whole thing is that like,

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because of the gangs, it just never stopped.

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And I'm not talking about like the gangs who was like people of color gangs. I'm talking about the neo-Nazi gangs versus the like people of color gangs.(...) Cause like, as you read before previously, Eric was in a situation with Moroccans(...) and they were like thinking of going there and have revenge.(...) And I was like,

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it doesn't like,

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even though like who started who, we would never know because this is an endless like battle between both of these sections of gangs.

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So like,

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I just feel like even though he's like, I was a victim of the situation, the same thing is happening with other people who's like people of color who was also affected and became victims of gang violence from neo-Nazi groups.

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And especially the boot boys. But they don't see it as the same thing for some reason.

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What?

(...) No, I was just basically agreeing. Like they don't see it as the same thing for some reason.

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Like they only see like, it's their fault. And I'm like, but you doing this, like it's an endless battle with, like it's an endless war, this will never stop.(...) And boot boys specifically, the neo-Nazi group that was who Ole and Joe was part of,(...) they were the most aggressive group in Norway.

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And it was actually stemming from,

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I think it was like the UK, like the, it's a branch from the UK group. Oh, what's the name of it?

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I think, oh, what's the name of it?

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I'm gonna have to wrap this up soon.

My brain, yeah, sorry.(...) Either way, I'm just gonna start it out. So boot boys is the Nazi group that Ole and Joe was part of and they,(...) that was the most aggressive neo-Nazi group in Norway. And it was like a branch from some UK,

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like neo-Nazi group there. And it kind of like spread and there's a lot of branches. So racism was a huge thing back then. And I'm not saying it's not a huge thing in the other Scandinavian countries, but in Norway, we've already been part of one(...) of which is, you know, Andes Previk.

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So racism or like neo-Nazi group is a lot, like this, it used to be a lot before, but I don't really know how it is today.

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But yeah, so they might be lurking somewhere. I don't know.

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But they did do a lot of precautions. They did change after the Benjamin murder and they're still fighting super hard against racism. And that's what I love about these cases. You know, even though it's unfortunate(...) that somebody had to die for change,

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they're still changing. They still try to be better.

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So yeah.

Yeah. So a little word of advice for people out there. I also too statistically, I think on average, women in general prefer more left men.

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So gentlemen,

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if you're listening.

What? What is this, a dating site?

No, no, I'm gonna make a point. It's just, it popped in my head.

Okay.

Even if you feel, you know, these misunderstandings of feelings,

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instead of acting on them, why not, you know, figure out why you feel this way, get the proper help so you can understand(...) and see that these feelings are not, you know, rational. That applies to anyone who has negative feelings to other group of people.

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Because- But also don't be afraid to explore and understand other cultures. That's also like a thing being scared of understanding.

Yes, that xenophobic,(...) that fear, explore, get to know the culture.

Be open-minded.

Just like any other human being gonna have bad people, gonna have good people, doesn't matter.(...) Explore the culture, understand the culture, and just know, okay, yes, people can do things differently, whatever the case may be, just be sure to keep an open mind when you're going through this journey we call life. And if that's not enough incentive for you, being a man, if you're a straight man, most women prefer, you know, pretty left men. So, hey, if you're not gonna do it for yourself, do it for the women.

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(Laughing)

It's a joke.

(...) Either way. Okay, thank you so much, Devontae Johnson. I guess we're gonna have to wrap this up right now.(...) We love you guys, we appreciate the support you guys are doing, and I guess we're just gonna end it with a positive note. And what would you like to eat, Devontae? What is your craving for the moment?

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You, I'm joking.

Oh my God!

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I would like to have some fries,(...) and I would like to have my chicken nuggets that are in the air fryer, because they're waiting for me.(...) So yeah.

I would like the air fried chicken that I made, you know, that'll be good with the little gravy.

They're really good, yeah.

And then blow some rice on there, yeah, that's good.

Some rice?

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Sounds good.(...) Either way, guys, hope you enjoyed today's episode. And be sure to check out the YouTube channel, where every three weeks I will be uploading these little psychological profiles of previous cases that we've covered. So eventually this case will probably get on there, but not now, but eventually. But go, be sure to check it out. It's on YouTube, subscribe, you know, click the bell, do all that. And I hope you enjoy the rest of your day.

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Peace out.

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Bye.