The Child Molester & Murderer: Antti Veikko "Jammu" Siltavuori (Jammu's Perspective)

Scandinavian Crimes (w/ Devante & Delila)

Years of Incident: 1959 - 1989
Location: Finland
The Child Molester & Murderer: Antti Veikko "Jammu" Siltavuori
Victim(s): 10-12 victims
Method: Sexual Assault, Pedophilia, Rape, Murder

Jammu Siltavuori was a Finnish serial killer responsible for the abduction and murder of two young girls in 1989. His two confirmed victims, 8-year-old Katra and 9-year-old Sini, were lured into his car, sexually assaulted, and killed. Their bodies were discovered days later in a lake near Huhtiniemi in Finland. Siltavuori had a prior history of violent and sexual offenses, with a conviction for murder in the 1950s. 


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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction
• 2:29 Story - Jammu’s perspective
• 5:43 Story - Media and Public Outrage
• 8:01 Story - Jammu's TV Statements
• 9:16 Discussion Section
• 24:53 Conclusion/Outro
• 26:39 Jammu's TV Interview

Transcript

Welcome to Scandinavian Crimes. My name is Delilah and say hello to my lovely co-host, Devante. Hello. And on this podcast, we will cover famous Scandinavian criminals who made their mark throughout Scandinavian history.

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So as you can obviously notice, today is a mini or episode or an add-on episode. So I will be the one reading and you know, after last episode,(...) I guess Davante was just very heavily tired from that. So I'm just going to help him out a little bit.(...) Hopefully you will enjoy this episode.

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So we're going to dive deeper into the story of Jammu.

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So if you haven't heard the last episode, I will recommend you to do that. So go listen to that one first before you go to this one. As many of you know, Jammu is one of the most notorious criminals in Finnish history with his name making headlines in a sea of controversy.(...) Despite all the media coverage, he only gave one interview where he shared his side of the story. In this episode, we'll take a closer look at his perspective and the double murder that shocked the country and also talk about the intense media attention and discuss the well-known YouTube interview. So I guess grab the tea and the snack and whatever and just...

No, no, come on. Don't do that, though. You got to do it right. Okay. I could do this part. I could do this part.

I mean, you do it because you do it the best.

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You already know what to do.(...) Grab your tea,(...) grab your snacks. If you're on your way to work or, you know, the podcast comes out in the morning, tuck yourself into a nice little corner. Because this is the continuation of the child molester and murderer,

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Jammu.

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After inheriting the fortune from his sister, Jammu suddenly became rich, but he remained as stingy as ever. His friend Arzka, who we briefly mentioned in the last episode, actually plays a bigger role in Jammu's story than you might expect.

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The catalyst for the double murder was Jammu's belief that Arzka has stolen 200,000 finished marks from him. Arzka is a real person and not a fiction of Jammu's imagination. Arzka has since confirmed what many suspected about Jammu being a pedophile, at least as much as he could. He noticed how Jammu's gaze would change whenever a girl around the age of 10 appeared.(...) Though Jammu was always quick to deny any accusations of child molestation,(...) claiming he only gave kids car rides for money, Arzka observed that it was never boys in the car, only girls. Jammu was so convinced that Arzka had stolen from him that he started to spy on Arzka.(...) Apparently, Arzka lived in the same area of Muir Lupudo, where Epeyvi and Johanna were last seen. Jammu would often go there, claiming he was keeping an eye on Arzka and stalking him. However, to the preteens in the neighborhood, Jammu was a familiar face and they always saw him hanging around with nothing better to do. On Friday, March 3rd, Jammu had been in Muir Lupudo, stalking Arzka as usual. While at the yard on Yulekiventi, two little girls he didn't know approached him. According to Jammu, he claimed he hadn't shown any interest in the girls. As he was about to leave, the girls insisted on coming with him, with one of them even jumping into his backseat in the car. Jammu said they had persuaded him to drive away with them. As he contemplated how to get rid of the girls, he ended up driving to a remote road where he strangled them to death. Afterwards, he placed their bodies on planks from his trunk and set them on fire. He then packed the bodies in his trunk and meticulously gathered everything from the ground. Despite the darkness, it made it difficult to see. Jammu claimed that after the murders, he went home to wait for nightfall, planning to dispose of the bodies in a place where they could eventually be discovered. When the police were about to arrest him, they asked why he had murdered the girls.(...) Jammu responded that it was to get revenge on Arzka, whom the girls might have known. Remember Jammu's prison farm that seemed to be set up for children? When questioned about the farm, Jammu took to his incoherent story about Arzka, insisting that the prison was part of his scheme for revenge.(...) The building was destroyed by the fire in the early 90s, so any potential evidence was likely lost in the blaze. As Jammu's trial began at the end of 1989, he had already been attacked in prison by other inmates. During the trial, the defense argued that Jammu had killed the girls as part of a revenge plot against Arzka, trying to use this as an insanity defense. They claimed that the theft of the money was a valid motive for the attack. However, Arzka denied any involvement in the theft, asserting that he was unaware Jammu had so much money to begin with. The double murders triggered a huge media coverage, with public outrage calling for extreme measures such as the death penalty or castration for Jammu.

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This media frenzy led to the harassment of individuals mistakenly identified as Jammu. Citizens with the same names, appearances, or even ages similar to Jammu faced harassment. Protesters displayed signs with messages such as "A sex offender does not improve in prison". Jammu was also hated in prison and faced numerous attacks from other inmates. The most severe incident occurred when an inmate snuck into his cell and struck him on the head with a chair.

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Later, while in Nhuvannemi mental hospital during his parole, reports confirm that he sustained severe injuries from frequent assaults, including a serious hip injury that required surgery. After the surgery, he lost his ability to walk and became reliant on a wheelchair.

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By 1999, after serving 10 years of his 50-year sentence, Jammu was approaching his parole release, which was said to happen within a year. This impending release sparked significant public outrage, with many people expressing a desire to take vigilant actions against him. During these hectic times, an interview was published on a televised, finished show called "Kulmas Pure". It can be viewed on YouTube if anyone is interested in watching it. This is the only television interview Jammu ever gave. The video has nearly 2 million views and I managed to grasp the general content by reading and translating the comments.

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According to Finnish speakers, Jammu told his version of events portraying himself as the victim, but at the same time never denies murdering the girls.

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The way he was told his story was difficult to follow, very incoherent and not very convincing.

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The people also sense that there is something very off-putting about his behaviour. He tries to downplay everything with his confusing way of talking, which make it even more unsettling to listen to.

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His mannerisms and the way he twists the narrative are incredibly distressing to witness.

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"Here are some things" he said in the TV interview.

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"The girls were lying on the ground dead.(...) I realised they were dead and I covered them up right there. I also burned their bodies to make them easier to move and lighter to carry." Yet he also said "I've always been against violence". So it was all over the place, highly inconsistent and not very commissary to the listeners. On top of it all, with his incoherent storytelling, he tried to victimise himself and lessen the seriousness of the crimes, which also fueled the public anger further. However, Jammu believed this to be his truth until the day he died,(...) 9th March 2012.

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So when you watched the interview on YouTube, there was a commenter who made an observation, which I can kind of agree with, is that Jammu resembles Charles Manson.(...) So he's a murderer, as we already know, he's a very popular murderer, unfortunately. And Jammu is just rambling when he speaks and his general speech patterns are somewhat similar, kind of like this detached all over the place. You know, you get the vibe that I'm trying to portray here. If you watch the interview and then you even see some interviews when it came to Charles Manson, you'll see their speech patterns and it's kind of similar. And that's kind of what is disturbing about this thing, where it's like, you can kind of see some patterns between, not even just Charles Manson either, you'll notice even serial killers, they tend to have very similar get ups and trains of thoughts. It's kind of weird, but anyways.

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But what's interesting about this is that his whole mental state in the plot holes of his story, right?(...) So the explanation that he gave under pressure, or whatever, like under pressure, whoopsie.

Like he was under pressure and I saw red and he was like blacking out, basically.

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As if he was not mentally aware of his actions until after the fact. Like it was just like a blackout period, which usually is like a very typical excuse that a lot of people use when they're trying to say like, "Oh, I don't know, like, I don't know what happened. I just blacked out, you know, like, I just, you know, I just saw red." And then that's it, where to be honest, that's not a very common thing. It can happen to some people, but to be calculated to the level that he was during this crime, you can't be unaware of that. Blacking out red is usually like a spur of the moment thing. Like, you know, if you get into a fight, you black out and maybe you knocked out the person, but that's only a real quick moment. To be blacked out for like hours,(...) no, that's not a thing.

If it was hours, we just assume it was hours based on the explanation. I mean, but it had to be hours.

You know, it had to be hours because that's one of the plot holes in his story where, you know, like, because you can't kill someone.

Nobody really knew what happened during those hours. And his explanation was basically, "I saw red. I don't know anything. What happened?"

Right.

But then he knows that he didn't have sex with them.

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Right. So I'm like, even in that statement alone, it's inconsistent. If you're blacked out, how would you know?

Yeah.

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So that's what I'm saying. Like, you can be blacked out for that long. And even if we were to go by the details of his story, that doesn't make sense.(...) So, it's

like, oh, yeah, sorry. I was going

to wrap up this and say basically, he's just, he's full of his full of garbage. You know, he can't pick and choose when you're blacked out. And then, but you can remember certain detail. No, that's not

all the comments are the same thing. They're like, this is so inconsistent. They barely even understood what he was saying because he was just rambling and mumbling and just saying a lot of things. And, you know, if you're many people just was like, this doesn't make any sense at all. But I wanted to actually ask you about like, do you think it was,(...) you know, that he had like a bad impulse control or anger issues rather than like him being partially insane?(...) Because like,

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or do you think it's a mixture of both?

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I can't say that he's not partially insane because I'm at least from what I've read. It seems like he does display some of the traits,(...) but I think he has me. This is my personal opinion at this point. So do not take this as a fact for whoever's listening. But I personally think he has more of an impulse control issue versus, you know, the insanity thing, because there are cases where the person who's going to be the person who's committing the crime,(...) maybe they have better impulse control. And then let's say they want to act on something, but they don't, but they still have these desires. Eventually, you know, they might end up acting on it depending on the case, but it's not so rash and out of control and just, you know, spur of the moment kind of situation. He seems like he has an impulse issue. He sees these girls, even including the story that we did last week, where we're talking about how he used to hunt these girls, even when he was married, had a wife still, he would go out at night with a crowbar.

He was good. Like, he even was good in the beginning of the relationship.

He had this overwhelming desire. He had this desire to go chase and pursue these girls.

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And in the middle, like, think about it. In the middle of the night,(...) let's put it into human perspective. You know, when you're hungry in the middle of the night and you let all that go somewhere just to get the snack that you're craving,(...) impulse control will tell you it's too late. I'm not going to go hunting for some Hagen-Dazs ice cream because I have a craving for ice cream. But when you lack impulse control, I need to find this ice cream, even if it's four in the morning, I need to have it. And then you just have no control over when you want to eat this stuff. So in his in his case, it was in the middle of the night pursuing young girls and then having a wife at home and still having this urge. I have to go get him. I have to go get him.

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Yeah,

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impulse, impulse. I actually do believe it's an impulse thing, too,

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because like,(...) but, you know, they psychiatrists and the experts, they did a very cruel investigation. So maybe he has like, I'm surprised they never at least what I could find, they didn't mention anything like that.

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But maybe it goes hand to hand with being partially insane. I don't know.(...) But also, it might be like, you know,

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lying, you know, about the whole interview, everything he's saying, he could be lying as well just to be to get the insanity defense or like being seen as partially.

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You know, insane.

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So it could be that he's just lying. He knew exactly what he was doing.

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You know, that could be that we've seen that many times before as well, where they trying to get the a little bit more lenient trial or case or judgment, basically.

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So yeah,

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a lot of holes everywhere, he was not doing a great job if you try to do that.

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Yeah, I guess to like piggyback partially off of what I was saying and also what you were saying, I just came, I just I'm thinking going through the process.

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There are certain mental illnesses where impulse control is a part of the kind of the foundation of the mental illness, just like, you know, we were talking about, you know, the whole, you know, sometimes basically when you have, I don't know, my brain just threw out the sentence. I was about to say, you know, how like sometimes if you have autism or any form of dyslexia, whatever like that, it can be associated as well with ADHD.

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So I think it's the same thing with the the impulse control. So like you have certain mental illnesses that like person borderline personality disorder, for example,

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it is associated heavily with impulse control where certain actions you don't have as much control over. And so I think even though I think it's still his primary issue,(...) it also it also makes sense that why he or he's classified as partially insane, but then why it would also come with the impulse lack of impulse control, because his mind is not, you know, structured in a way that it should be. So even though I still think that's his primary issue,

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it is also attached to other things. So just so we have clarification for everybody else as well.(...) They can be multiple things going on at once that can feed into a larger mental illness.

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Thank you, Professor Johnson.

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No problem. I appreciate it.

I just wanted to say something I read from a comment, which I thought was very interesting on the YouTube clip, is that like the only thing he managed to do, even though there were like plot holes in his story and did not make any sense, he was still consistent with the same story. So he didn't change it.

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Hold on pause my dear pause real quick. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Real quick.

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What's up?

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All day, which email is just sent to.

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I guess I don't know if I was supposed to pause the recording or like pause my my my story, my thing that I want to say.

I'm on Logan right now. I'm going to find out as well.

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Zero six seven seven.

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First browser.

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Who I did get it.

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All right.

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I'm sorry, my dear, but I didn't stop recording, by the way.

So I didn't stop either. I didn't know if you meant stop me stopping talking or me stop the recording. OK.

Yeah, why don't stop it? All right. Go ahead.

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So I found something very interesting on the YouTube comment section that I thought I was like, OK, this is a pretty cool thing.

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So, you know, the only thing that Jamba was able to do throughout the year. So the only thing that Jamba was able to do throughout the years was that he kept his story consistent, even though there's like a lot of platforms that didn't make any sense. He kept it consistent. He never changed his story, which is like super weird. But the comment that, you know, I read it said that it is like he spent years convincing himself of his own version of events to the point where he truly believes it. And I was like, you know, that's that's a thing. That's really a thing.

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And like it doesn't have to mean that what he's saying is the truth. It could be that he just convinced himself. It's his truth.

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You know,

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I want to tell a little mini story. It's a personal story about stuff like that is very real. So this is like back in like I don't care at this point because it's been like a kajillion years.

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So in more terms, this is when I was right. But I was working at Munich, though, that I had like graduated from high school. Right.(...) And I graduated from high school and this is like a couple of months after I was about to start my first semester of college.(...) So I was working, you know, I live in New York City. So this is back on like this is like 52nd Street, 6th Avenue, 6 and a half Avenue, something like that. That store over there. If you're from New York, you know the store I'm talking about.

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So I was there for like a few months. I worked there for like maybe five, six months. But I remember one time I just didn't care about the job because I had class one and then they were not as flexible as they advertised themselves to be. So I remember I came in late. I was coming from class.

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And then I'm telling my supervisor, like this is an old story that happened to me, something that did happen to me. But I was using it, you know, obviously years later I came into work. I was like, I got harassed by this cop. Like I was trying to get on the train and he just wouldn't let me get on the train. He's like, I got to search search a bag. This is back in New York City when like search and Frisk was like at its peak. And I was like, you know, he just wouldn't let me go to train. I'm sitting here like, I got to go to work. Like I'm leaving from class. I got to go to work and he wouldn't let me do it. And because I'm telling parts of a story that did happen to me when I was younger. And this is like years later and I'm like telling the story to a supervisor. I got really amped up and angry. But then halfway through my work shift, I was still tight. And then I literally went to the bathroom, looked at myself.(...) I'm bugging right now. Like it didn't happen. Like that did not happen. Why am I actually angry right now? Like it didn't happen.(...) But it's like even like as someone who's, you know, within the normal range of sanity, because I'm pretty sure some level something's wrong with me as well. So

you're borderline crazy or what?

I might be, but I know for a fact there are times even as like people who have some sense to us, we can convince ourselves of something sometimes scary easily.(...) And I tell that story as an example, because I really went through half my shift angry and I'm like, I didn't, that didn't happen. I just came from class. I just had a test. That's all it was. And they just messed up my schedule. Like it was really that simple, but I had convinced myself. So I believe it's entirely possible for someone who's not in their right mind to spend years convincing themselves. Like, you know, he did this to me and he was out to get me and then years and years convincing themselves. I would do that within 10 to 15 minutes. Now, can you imagine what it would take just for years of convincing yourself or something like that? I believe it.

Like gaslighting yourself. Yeah, it's crazy.

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Crazy.

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You know, wait.

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Pause.

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I have memory loss. Did we talk about that? He said I never sexually assaulted them part.

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Yeah, we wasn't on record or off record.

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And I think he did say it because maybe we just spoke about it. He was like, oh, he I think it was off record.

I don't think it was recorded.

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No, we just said it.

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He said that, oh,

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I blacked out, but then I don't remember actually assaulting them. Remember we said that sentence.

Okay. In that case, just skip this part then.

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Yeah.

Yeah.(...) So I guess we're going to wrap up this episode then.

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So, you know, we will put this at the end of this episode, we're going to put the whole interview part. It's like approximately eight minutes long. If, you know, our Finnish listeners want to listen to it.

Just listening to it. Yeah.

And, you know, if we are wrong in the translation or anything, just, you know, you're welcome to notify us if you want to. So we can in that case correct it later on. But other than that, just enjoy the rambling of Jamu. And I guess that's that when I wrap it up with the food thing, we always do.

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I think it's good.

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Because you you send me a mukbang video. I had to eat some ramen today. So I actually did. And it was really good. And I want that again.

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I would like some good old macaroni and cheese.

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That's very good.

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Yeah, it is.

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And before you listen to the next video, guys, be sure to stop gaslighting yourself. It's not okay.

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And deal with your problems, you know,

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deal with your works.

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Good advice.(...) That is really good advice. Stop gaslighting yourself, bro. Just live your life and be be normal.

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Live in your truth. You know, there's beauty in that.

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So enjoy the next couple. Enjoy the interview, I guess.

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Yeah.

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Say the thing. They're like, oh, yeah, do it.

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Follow us and stuff.

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What?

You should be like, follow us on social media.

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Oh, I was wrong.(...) But, you know, be sure to follow us on social media. And remember, if you want to correct us for anything, this reminds me. I don't think I said it in the last episode. There's going to be a link in our podcast description where you're allowed to send us text messages. I think I did say it actually.

No, I didn't.

Well, here we are. So you can send us text messages. You just click the link, send a text. And then so that way it'll go directly to us, like directly to us. It's not like our phones directly, but the platform that we use to manage everything, it'll go directly to that. And then I don't think we're allowed to respond to the messages, but we'll see them.(...) And, you know, we can take corrections that way, as well as if you want to say hi or if you want to see how our day was, all that stuff, you're allowed to do that there as well. So there's that. And also follow us on social media. Also, make sure you go follow us on YouTube. By now, there's already a video that's out from last week regarding kind of like a little psychological profile breakdown that I do and something going to be, you know, like 10 minute videos. But I do it like once every three weeks. So that way, you know, you guys can get a little bit more deeper into the psychological aspects of the cases that we've previously done. And like I said, it's very super casual. I said very, super casual. That's a very messed up sentence. It's very casual, super simple. And just very chill. So go check it out. Go subscribe. And, you know,

(...) I apologize if this was like super chaotic because I'm the reader.

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Next time it's going to be the bomb.

But you know, but the audience will never know that because, you know, it's going to get edited out. Either way,

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follow us on social medias and be sure to check out YouTube. And here is the interview with Jammu. Jammu.

OK, bye.